Prince Andrew stated that that staying with paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein felt like ‘the correct factor to do’ on the time however admits he let the Queen and the Royal Household down.
In a ‘make or break’ TV interview in regards to the scandal, he stated he now regrets going to stick with Jeffrey Epstein in New York after the financier’s launch from jail on baby intercourse offences.
The Prince made the extraordinary declare that he stayed there as a result of he was ‘too honourable’.
He instructed the BBC’s Emily Maitlis: ‘It was a handy place to remain. I imply I’ve gone by this in my thoughts so many occasions. On the finish of the day, with a good thing about all of the hindsight that one can have, it was undoubtedly the mistaken factor to do.
‘However on the time I felt it was the honourable and proper factor to do and I admit totally that my judgement was in all probability colored by my tendency to be too honourable however that is simply the way in which it’s.’
‘The issue was the truth that as soon as he had been convicted I stayed with him,’ the duke instructed the BBC’s Emily Maitlis
Andrew (left) additionally once more rejects the declare by certainly one of Epstein’s (proper) victims, Virginia Roberts, that he had intercourse along with her when she was 17
The shock declare got here in an extra extract from the interview which will likely be aired in full on BBC 2 tonight.
Andrew additionally stated: ‘The issue was the truth that as soon as he had been convicted I stayed with him.
‘That is the bit I kick myself for every day as a result of it was not one thing that was turning into of a member of the Royal Household and we try to uphold the best requirements and practices and I let the facet down, easy as that.’
In the course of the trade, Andrew once more rejects the declare by certainly one of Epstein’s victims, Virginia Roberts, that he had intercourse along with her when she was 17.
The prince says he doesn’t even bear in mind assembly Miss Roberts, regardless of the existence of displaying him together with his arm across the teenager’s naked waist alongside Epstein’s alleged ‘madam’ Ghislaine Maxwell.
The programme will characteristic Andrew’s confrontation with allegations made by Epstein accuser Miss Roberts that she was flown to London on Epstein’s personal jet, nicknamed the ‘Lolita Specific’, for intercourse with the prince who she has referred to as ‘an abuser’
Jack Scarola, a number one member of Virginia Roberts’ authorized group, instructed Mail On-line he would really like the duke to undergo an interview ‘below oath’ as a substitute of giving statements to the media that carry ‘little weight’
Virginia Roberts (pictured) alleges she was coerced by paedophile US businessman Jeffrey Epstein, a good friend of the Duke, into having intercourse with Andrew on three events
‘She says she met you in 2001, she says she dined with you, danced with you at Tramp nightclub in London.
‘She went on to have intercourse with you in a home in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your good friend. Your response?’ asks Miss Maitlis.
‘I’ve no recollection of ever assembly this girl, none in anyway,’ Andrew replies.
‘You do not bear in mind assembly her?’ the interviewer asks.
‘No,’ Andrew firmly states.
The complete interview, which was carried out at Buckingham Palace, will likely be proven on BBC Two at 9pm tonight in a Newsnight particular: Prince Andrew & The Epstein Scandal.
In accordance with royal sources, the programme makes for uncomfortable viewing at occasions, however, they are saying, is a ‘no holds barred’ dialogue of the Epstein case.
Andrew’s no-holds-barred interview with the BBC
Maitlis: One among Jeffrey Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Roberts, says she met you in 2001, dined with you, danced with you at Tramp nightclub. She went on to have intercourse with you in a home in Belgravia. Your response?
ANDREW: I’ve no recollection of ever assembly this girl, none in anyway.
Maitlis: You don’t bear in mind assembly her?
ANDREW: The issue was… as soon as he [Epstein] had been convicted…
Maitlis: … You stayed with him.
ANDREW: I stayed with him and that’s… that’s… that’s the bit that…that… that, because it have been, I kick myself for every day as a result of it was not one thing that was turning into of a member of the Royal Household and we try to uphold the best requirements and practices and I let the facet down, easy as that.
ANDREW: It was a handy place to remain. I imply I’ve gone by this in my thoughts so many occasions.
On the finish of the day, with a good thing about all of the hindsight that one can have, it was undoubtedly the mistaken factor to do.
However on the time I felt it was the honourable and proper factor to do and I admit totally that my judgement was in all probability colored by my tendency to be too honourable however that is simply the way in which it’s.
A good friend of Prince Andrew instructed Richard Kay: ‘In a means, he’s saying “judge me”.
‘All the pieces else had failed, he had no different.’
Insiders have additionally stated that the Duke felt he had no alternative however to talk out after being left ‘paralysed’ by his lack of ability to defend his popularity.
One shut aide instructed The Every day Telegraph that the scandal ‘turns over each day in his head’.
The aide added: ‘It was actually the toughest factor he has ever carried out. For any of us to speak about these things regardless of who you might be, it could be troublesome. It takes an enormous quantity of braveness.’
Filmed on Thursday, the Mail understands that, over 45 minutes, the Queen’s son was ‘machine-gunned’ with questions on every little thing from his household to his intercourse life in excruciating element.
The palace didn’t ask for any inquiries to be submitted prematurely, and no assurances got. A type of current claimed the Queen’s usually quite pompous and garrulous son was surprisingly ‘humble and candid’.
‘Maitlis does not pull her punches and [people] have been wincing barely at occasions however he did not draw back from answering a single query,’ stated one.
It’s extremely uncommon for a member of the Royal Household to discuss one thing so private and controversial in a one-on-one interview. Solely the late Diana, Princess of Wales, and Prince Charles, each talking about their failed marriage, have carried out so. Each programmes have been thought of disastrous for the monarchy.
Andrew – lengthy believed to be the Queen’s favorite son – knowledgeable his mom in regards to the interview prematurely and was, apparently, given her blessing.
A supply near the prince stated: ‘He would not do something with out discussing it along with her majesty first.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman added: ‘The Queen is conscious of the interview.’
A view of Jeffrey Epstein’s stone mansion on Little St. James Island (pictured above) – the place Andrew was accused of collaborating in an orgy in 2015 courtroom paperwork
FBI brokers have been seen raiding Jeffrey Epstein’s US Virgin Island Little St James in August – it earned the nickname ‘paedo island’
It’s the first time the prince has been publicly grilled about his friendship with the American intercourse abuser who was discovered lifeless in his New York jail cell in August whereas awaiting trial for sex-trafficking.
He has been dogged by the scandal since 2010, when he was photographed visiting the disgraced Wall Avenue cash man in New York following Epstein’s launch from jail following a conviction for prostituting minors.
Jeffrey Epstein was ‘discovered hanging in his jail cell utilizing a paper mattress sheet’ – authorities say it was suicide however his brother claims: ‘He did not kill himself’
The cell Epstein would have been held in have ‘paper degree sheets’, a metal body mattress you can’t transfer, no lighting fixtures and no bars
Jeffrey Epstein was discovered ‘unresponsive’ at round 6.30am in his cell on the Metropolitan Correctional Middle on August 10, 2019 – a month after his arrest.
Jail workers have been unable to revive him. He was then rushed to the infirmary contained in the jail.
From there, he was positioned in an ambulance and brought to New York-Presbyterian Decrease Manhattan Hospital, the place docs pronounced him lifeless.
Since Epstein’s suicide, there was widespread hypothesis as to how he managed to kill himself after an earlier failed try to take his personal life weeks earlier.
Jail process dictates that an inmate goes by a screening course of to find out if they’re vulnerable to harming or killing themselves.
Critics, together with his brother, have steered he was ‘got rid of’.
Mark Epstein says he has seen no proof to help the New York Metropolis Medical Examiner’s conclusion that his brother dedicated suicide.
He added: ‘Jeffrey knew plenty of stuff about lots of people’.
He misplaced his job as a roving UK commerce ambassador because of the outcry.
Since then the prince has been pressured to disclaim claims by Epstein’s teenage ‘intercourse slave’ Miss Roberts that she was flown to London on the billionaire’s jet, the ‘Lolita Specific’, for intercourse with the prince.
She claims Miss Maxwell instructed her: ‘I would like you to do for him what you do for Epstein.’
Miss Roberts, now a 35-year-old mom, alleges that it was certainly one of three events she was pressured to have intercourse with the prince, which additionally included an ‘orgy’ at Epstein’s dwelling within the US Virgin Islands. Within the face of the prince’s denials she has stated ‘he is aware of the reality and I do know the reality’ and not too long ago stated he deserves to be despatched to jail.
Buckingham Palace has at all times referred to as the allegations ‘false and with none basis’, saying ‘any suggestion of impropriety with under-age minors was categorically unfaithful’.
Miss Maxwell has at all times denied being concerned in a sex-trafficking community run by Epstein. This week’s bombshell interview came about within the grand south drawing room of the palace.
‘It is fairly uncooked and it is emotional,’ a supply stated, ‘However he does not draw back from answering something – and I imply something – and hopes this honesty will allow him to attract a line below issues as soon as and for all.’
Privately, palace officers admit that Andrew’s resolution to permit himself to be questioned on tv is a big gamble and ‘might all go horribly mistaken’.
However one insisted: ‘There’s two narratives in regards to the duke. The primary that he’s some form of horrible, seedy individual, the second – from those that truly know him – that he’s respectable, honourable, sort and is frequently being crucified for errors he has already held his fingers as much as. He has actually, straightforwardly addressed some troublesome questions and hopefully that authenticity will permit individuals to see the true narrative.’
It’s understood that Andrew is emphatic in his denials when he’s requested by Maitlis whether or not he had intercourse with Miss Roberts.
The prince can even declare that he visited Epstein within the States in 2010 solely to inform him that he may now not have any contact with him as a result of he felt this was the ‘honourable’ factor to do.
A member of Miss Roberts’ authorized group, Jack Scarola, stated he would really like the prince to undergo an interview below oath as a substitute of giving statements to the media that carry ‘little weight’. He stated there was an FBI investigation into these concerned in facilitating Epstein’s abuse and Andrew ‘could be a key witness’.
And he is STILL saying he cannot bear in mind this
By Christian Gysin for the Every day Mail
The notorious of Prince Andrew smiling as he stands together with his left arm across the waist of a younger Virginia Roberts has dogged him for years.
Each the photograph and the claims made by the younger American – that she had intercourse with the prince in society hostess Ghislaine Maxwell’s central London dwelling – refuse to go away.
Miss Roberts maintains the was taken in March 2001 when paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, Miss Maxwell and Andrew returned to Miss Maxwell’s mews home after dinner and a go to to Tramp nightclub in Mayfair.
The notorious of Prince Andrew smiling as he stands together with his left arm across the waist of a younger Virginia Roberts has dogged him for years
Miss Roberts, who was 17, stated the group went upstairs and it was then that she requested Epstein to take a shot of her with the divorced prince. Miss Maxwell is within the background.
She later revealed she needed to point out the to her mom and, after the image was taken, Epstein and Miss Maxwell left the pair alone.
Immediately the prince will inform Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis he doesn’t recall assembly Miss Roberts.
The clear implication from his reply on the BBC is, subsequently, that the is a pretend.
The image was first revealed by the Mail on Sunday in 2011 after the newspaper discovered Miss Roberts residing in a small bungalow in New South Wales.
In latest months, Andrew’s associates have tried to discredit the – with some saying it had been doctored on a pc.
The Duke of York , talking for the primary time about his hyperlinks to Jeffrey Epstein in an interview with BBC Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis
Andrew is seen wearing darkish trousers and a lightweight blue shirt with a number of buttons undone and with the sleeves adorned with cufflinks. This was a ‘look’ he favoured on the time. Just a few months earlier was taken of the prince in virtually precisely the identical clothes.
Sources near Andrew have additionally claimed his fingers ‘do not look proper’ within the .
Nonetheless Andrew has chubby fingers and in a shot taken of him at across the similar time this seems to be the case. His fingers within the shot with Miss Roberts additionally look remarkably just like different photographs from the time.
Sources near Andrew query his peak relative to Miss Roberts. The prince is round 6ft, whereas Miss Roberts is alleged to be round 5ft 8in. The image does appear to mirror this.
There may be clearly the sight of a flash because the shutter button was pressed by Epstein and the fashion of the window matches Miss Maxwell’s then dwelling.
Photographic consultants level out that the follow of manipulating photos was in its infancy when the image was taken.
Prince Andrew ‘agonised’ over resolution to present BBC interview wherein he admits he ‘let the Queen down’: Duke felt he had no different however to deal with questions on Epstein friendship and claims he had intercourse with a teenage lady, says RICHARD KAY
Remark by Richard Kay for the Every day Mail
Prince Andrew’s judgment, or the distinct lack of it, has lengthy been an integral a part of his character.
All too usually, a reckless self- indulgence has obscured his different qualities: being well-meaning and making an attempt to place his finest foot ahead.
His resolution, subsequently, to present a no-holds-barred interview to the BBC about his friendship with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein — and, crucially, the claims that he had intercourse with a teenage lady — is extra than simply an air-clearing train.
It’s the act of a gambler — and the stakes couldn’t be greater.
For make no mistake, by sitting down and answering questions from Newsnight’s formidable presenter Emily Maitlis, Prince Andrew is placing his popularity on the road.
Prince Andrew is pictured with Epstein in Central Park in New York in February 2011
The omens for such tv confessionals are usually not good. Neither Princess Diana unburdening herself to Panorama, nor Prince Charles opening as much as Jonathan Dimbleby, have been something apart from unintentional acts of self-harm. Each are remembered mainly for his or her acknowledgement of mutual acts of adultery.
If candour alone sufficed, then Andrew’s exceptional admission that in his foolishness he had let the Queen down would be the stand-out second from tonight’s broadcast.
That is the playing equal of betting the home on the final spin of the roulette wheel — and Andrew has put all of it on black.
Whereas the BBC is of course patting itself on the again for pulling off this nice scoop, the Prince will likely be nervously questioning if this undoubtedly brave resolution was the correct one.
So why did he do it? Fairly merely, he felt he had no different. For months the rumours and gossip about Andrew and Epstein — and the explosive allegations from Virginia Roberts that she had been flown to London to have intercourse with the Prince — have hung across the Duke of York like a foul odor.
Removed from ending the hypothesis, Epstein’s dying at his personal hand in a New York jail cell in August served solely to revive the sordid tales of orgies, therapeutic massage parlours and a personal jet nicknamed the ‘Lolita Specific’.
One story particularly continued, the declare from Roberts that she and Andrew had intercourse collectively on no fewer than three events.
After which, after all, there was the apparently ‘compromising’ of the Prince together with his arm proprietorially across the naked midriff of the then 17-year-old lady.
Ever since these tales first surfaced, when prosecutors within the U.S. lastly obtained to grips with Epstein’s disgusting actions, Andrew has relied on the same old sources to distance himself.
Prince Andrew has beforehand denied being conscious of any of Epstein’s unlawful actions. He’s pictured above in 2010 answering the door of Epstein’s New York mansion
The allegations, stated associates, have been preposterous and unfaithful. However the arrest of the billionaire financier this summer time, towards the background of the #Me Too motion, dramatically modified the optics.
Andrew’s standing and even his capacity to perform as a working member of the Royal Household have been below risk. In September, it was reported that no less than one of many Prince’s official engagements throughout a go to to Northern Eire had been cancelled due to considerations that the Epstein affair would overshadow it.
He started to aggressively counter-punch. Senior Palace sources categorically denied Roberts’s declare, pouring scorn on her assertion that she and Andrew had drunk cocktails collectively in Tramp, the West Finish nightclub.
They identified that: ‘The Duke does not drink.’ Nonetheless, in Roberts’s unique testimony, she stated: ‘Andrew obtained me a cocktail from the bar and he had a drink for himself.’
Extra considerably, doubts have been additionally forged on the authenticity of the notorious midriff , apparently taken within the London mews dwelling of Andrew’s good friend — and Epstein’s procurer of women — Ghislaine Maxwell, who can be within the image.
Officers questioned whether or not the had been manipulated, from the fingers across the lady’s waist to the discrepancy in peak between the 2.
Andrew, stated aides, had distinctively chubby or sausage fingers. ‘They do not look proper within the image,’ it was stated.
However whereas all this will have muddied the waters, the cut-through and clearing the air that Andrew hoped for didn’t materialise. The suspicions and innuendo wouldn’t go away and the Duke remained on the again foot. The injury to his picture was worsening by the day and it threatened to overshadow the broader public notion of the Royal Household.
Furthermore, the drip, drip, drip of the claims was additionally endangering his main charity venture — Pitch@Palace wherein he helps to place would-be entrepreneurs in contact with traders and mentors.
Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell pictured collectively in New York in 2005
Rumours circulated that a number of the blue chip firms concerned have been starting to really feel uncomfortable.
All the identical, Prince Andrew didn’t rush into the Newsnight interview with out weighing up the professionals and cons. His calculation rested on this: by answering direct questions on Roberts’s declare, he knew he could possibly be accused of mendacity. Dramatically, he then took the bull by the horns, first consulting the Queen, not only for her permission to movie the confrontation within the South Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace, but in addition for her approval.
Even so, the Duke agonised over the knowledge of doing it, pondering on what would possibly go mistaken in addition to what would possibly work.
In the long run, his argument was merely that he had no different alternative and wanted to display to those that he has been telling the reality. On the similar time, he knew he must comply with the BBC having a free-for-all in its line of questioning.
Nothing could be vetted beforehand. There have been no pre-conditions. No royal has ever undergone such rigorous cross-examination. Each Diana and Charles knew what was coming of their interviews — Andrew didn’t.
BBC insiders inform me they have been impressed together with his candour and humility. For Andrew, the questioning will need to have been excruciating as he was interrogated about probably the most intimate of issues. We’re instructed that tonight’s movie includes 50 minutes of powerful, uncompromising questioning.
Final night time, the BBC launched two key exchanges. One about Roberts goes like this:
Maitlis: ‘She says she met you in 2001, she says she dined with you, danced with you at Tramp nightclub in London. She went on to have intercourse with you in a home in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your good friend. Your response?’
Andrew: ‘I’ve no recollection of ever assembly this girl, none in anyway.’
Maitlis: ‘You do not bear in mind assembly her?
However it would, I think, be the Prince’s response to questions on why he remained associates with Epstein that can stick within the reminiscence. For they reveal a vulnerability and present simply how affecting the allegations have been.
Requested about why he continued to see Epstein after his launch from jail, Andrew admits he was mistaken, saying: ‘I kick myself for it every day, as a result of it was not one thing that was turning into of a member of the Royal Household and we try to uphold the best requirements and practices and I let the facet down, easy as that.’
For the Prince, the entire nerve- shredding train has been to point out that he has nothing to cover, that he has been wholly sincere and truthful. ‘In a means,’ says a good friend, ‘he’s saying “judge me”. All the pieces else had failed, he had no different.’
Now the judgment rests with the British individuals. However, as courageous as Prince Andrew’s resolution has been to talk out, some little question will nonetheless say that if he’s ready to sit down down with the tv cameras, he ought to absolutely now be ready to topic himself to the questions of the New York Police Division and the FBI.
How Duke of York’s annual conferences with Epstein together with after he was despatched to jail prompted Prince Andrew a long time of bother
Here’s a timeline of the duke’s relationship with Epstein.
Andrew first meets Epstein, reportedly launched by his friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell.
Andrew welcomes Epstein to the Queen’s personal Scottish retreat in Aberdeenshire. Andrew later says he sees Epstein ‘occasionally’, including ‘in all probability not more than solely a few times a 12 months’.
Andrew and Ms Maxwell are seen on vacation with Epstein at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Membership in Palm Seashore, Florida.
Epstein and Ms Maxwell attend a celebration at Windsor Fort hosted by the Queen to mark Andrew’s 40th birthday, the Princess Royal’s 50th, the Queen Mom’s 100th and Princess Margaret’s 70th.
Virginia Roberts claims to have had intercourse with Andrew ‘3 times, together with one orgy’, with the primary encounter allegedly going down in Ms Maxwell’s London townhouse. Ms Roberts claims to have had intercourse with Andrew on two extra events, at Epstein’s New York dwelling and at an ‘orgy’ on his personal island within the Caribbean.
Epstein admits prostituting minors and is sentenced to 18 months in jail.
Epstein is launched from jail. Andrew is photographed with the disgraced Epstein in New York’s Central Park.
Footage emerges years later, reportedly shot on December 6 2010, displaying him inside Epstein’s Manhattan mansion, from the place he’s seen looking from a big door of the property waving a lady goodbye after Epstein leaves to get right into a chauffeur-driven automobile.
The duke quits his function as UK commerce envoy after the fallout from the Central Park photographs.
Buckingham Palace denies Andrew has dedicated any impropriety after he’s named in US courtroom paperwork associated to Epstein. A girl, later named in experiences as Ms Roberts, alleges in papers filed in Florida that she was pressured to have intercourse with Andrew when she was 17, which is below the age of consent within the state.
On the World Financial Discussion board in Davos, Andrew, in his first public engagement since he was embroiled within the allegations, responds, saying: ‘Firstly I believe I have to, and wish, for the document, to confer with the occasions which have taken place in the previous few weeks.
‘I simply want to reiterate, and to reaffirm, the statements which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace.’
In April the claims towards Andrew are struck from US civil courtroom data following a federal choose’s ruling.
Newly launched authorized paperwork present that Johanna Sjoberg, one other alleged Epstein sufferer, claimed Andrew touched her breast whereas sitting on a sofa contained in the US billionaire’s Manhattan condominium in 2001.
Buckingham Palace stated the allegations are ‘categorically unfaithful’.
Epstein is discovered lifeless in his jail cell on August 10, having killed himself after being charged with intercourse trafficking.
Later that month a pilot on Epstein’s personal jet claims Andrew was a passenger on previous flights with the financier and Ms Roberts.
The Solar newspaper reported that David Rodgers stated in an affidavit launched in August that Epstein, Andrew and the-then 17-year-old travelled to the US Virgin Islands on April 11 2001.
Buckingham Palace describes the proof assertion as having ‘plenty of inconsistencies’ and stated that Andrew was on a unique continent in some circumstances.
Following Epstein’s dying, a press release from the palace says that Andrew is ‘appalled by the latest experiences of Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged crimes’.
Breaking his silence on the problem for the primary time since 2015, Andrew then releases a press release on August 24 saying: ‘At no stage in the course of the restricted time I spent with him (Epstein) did I see, witness or suspect any behaviour of the type that subsequently led to his arrest and conviction.’
Mark Epstein fears that he and his youngsters will likely be murdered like he claims his brother Jeffrey was after ‘sham suicide probe’
A defiant Mark Epstein is lashing out at federal officers within the wake of his brother Jeffrey’s dying.
In a uncommon interview with Julie Brown of the Miami Herald, Mark says that the investigation into his brother’s suicide was each incomplete and inconclusive, making it not possible to find out his reason behind dying.
Mark additionally reveals that even he has seen no proof to help the New York Metropolis Medical Examiner’s conclusion that his brother dedicated suicide, and can’t consider a single motive why the pedophile would have taken his personal life.
He now says that he fears he or his members of the family could possibly be focused by the identical people who might have needed Jeffrey lifeless, and implores those that so shortly labeled the dying a suicide to take one other take a look at the case.
‘It is all very suspicious, an excessive amount of to be a coincidence,’ says Mark.
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Mark Epstein (above in August) says that his life and the lifetime of his members of the family could possibly be in danger in an interview with Julie Brown for the Miami Herald
Within the interview, Mark makes it clear that he can’t settle for the concept that his brother would wish to take his personal life.
‘I may see if he obtained a life sentence, I may then see him taking himself out, however he had a bail listening to arising,’ explains Mark.
He later goes into extra element, arguing: ‘He had a bail listening to in two days. He agreed to be on home arrest. He was going to rent armed guards to control him at his personal expense.’
Mark then provides: ‘He was probably the most recognizable individual on the planet. The place is he going to run and conceal?’
On the similar time, it’s unclear how he would have the ability to make that dedication given his personal description of the connection he had with Jeffrey previous to his dying.
‘Jeffrey and I weren’t that shut, we shared brother stuff, however I used to be not concerned in what he was doing,’ reveals Mark.
‘When he first obtained in bother he referred to as me. We have been very straight with one another. I wasn’t going to lecture him.’
Three months after his dying, officers have nonetheless not launched any particulars in any respect in regards to the case.
This has left Mark involved that he and his youngsters may endure a destiny just like Jeffrey’s by the hands of an individual or individuals that officers have no real interest in making an attempt to establish.
‘Jeffrey knew plenty of stuff about lots of people,’ notes Mark.